Craptastic diagnosis

Sorry it took me a couple days to write this post. My baby sister is visiting for the summer (yay!), and this weekend her boyfriend came to visit. It was my first time meeting him, so I was pretty busy showing them around town.

Anyway, we had the WTF appointment with Dr. Y on Friday morning. (Thanks to my bloggy friends for this term, which seems like a perfect description for the appointment after a failed cycle…) It was not a cheerful conversation. It basically cemented my assessment that diminished ovarian reserve is a craptastic diagnosis. Some highlights:

  • Dr. Y was careful to point out that I am “not through menopause yet”, and therefore there is always a probability (however miniscule) that I could get pregnant naturally. So one option is to stick with timed intercourse + prayer. (In support of this option, he mentioned a patient like me who got pregnant naturally after quitting treatment…then miscarried. Not exactly a ringing endorsement…)
  • On the other end of the spectrum, Dr. Y pointed out that none of the tests to date has shown any problems with my uterus, so we expect a high probability of success from IVF with donor eggs. In that case, I would have to change care providers, because Kaiser doesn’t do third-party reproduction…
  • He was open to the idea of us doing IVF one more time with my eggs, but wanted to be very clear that he doesn’t expect a dramatic difference in outcome – we would be hoping for one quality embryo, not five. And we would want to go into it with a plan for what we would do in the (likely) event that it fails again. He does not support the idea of doing IVF bunches more times, as he said there would be a point of diminishing returns, and he doesn’t want to subject my body to all those drugs over and over if it’s not likely to yield the end result that we want.
  • Dr. Y did not recommend trying a different protocol. He is convinced that the antagonist protocol (with ganirelix/Antagon) is the best option for me. In particular, I had asked about a microflare Lupron protocol, but he felt that the ganirelix “worked” in the sense that it prevented premature ovulation, and that – as a rule – it suppresses my ovaries the least, making it the best choice for a poor responder like me.
  • Dr. Y was supportive of trying what he called “soft science” approaches to improving egg quality – including eating a high antioxidant diet, taking all the recommended supplements, and doing acupuncture – prior to trying IVF#2. He doesn’t necessarily think it will help, but he thinks it can’t hurt. He suggested doing it “all the way”, not half-heartedly, for 3 months, “living like a monk”. I think his rationale was that if I did absolutely everything I could think of, then I would be at peace with moving on with donor eggs (or adoption, or child-free living) if IVF#2 fails. (He did, however, mention that he had a DOR patient like me, who had a failed cycle, then did all the supplements, etc. for 3 months, got one embryo from IVF #2, which implanted and she is now in her 3rd trimester…)
  • We also learned that the embryologist had judged my three eggs as being of “very poor quality”. I think this is another reason for Dr. Y’s pessimism.

Here are some stats from the SART database to help illustrate why DOR is such a crappy diagnosis. For women up to the age of 40, a DOR diagnosis correlates with the worst odds of success from IVF:

SART Fresh IVF cycles Percentage of cycles resulting in live births

<35

35-37

38-40

41-42

>42

all diagnoses

40.1

31.9

21.6

12.2

4.2

ovulatory dysfunction

43.3

36.9

28.3

14.1

3.2

male factor

43.2

36.7

25.6

16.6

5.2

unknown

42.5

33.4

24.7

14.1

7.1

female & male factor

39.5

30.7

20.4

11

5.1

tubal factor

39.2

31.5

20.7

14.6

3.8

endometriosis

38.9

29.6

24.6

13.2

4.7

other

36.5

30.8

21.9

13.2

4.7

multiple female factors

35.2

27.2

18.9

10.4

2.6

uterine factor

33.6

33.8

19.3

15.4

5.9

DOR

27.5

24.2

17.8

11.1

3.8

On the upside, if we ever happen to get any decent frozen embryos, the stats shift in our favor, at least given my relatively young age:

SART FET cycles Percentage of transfers resulting in live births

<35

35-37

38-40

41-42

>42

all diagnoses

39.3

35.7

30.3

24.5

16.5

ovulatory dysfunction

42.1

38.4

34.5

19.4

33.3

DOR

40.8

32.6

25.9

23.3

13.1

unknown

40.8

37.3

33.1

28.7

21.3

male factor

39.9

35.6

29.3

28.1

16.7

other

39.5

37.3

34.1

31.8

16

female & male factor

38.6

35.7

29.3

21.7

17

endometriosis

37.7

33.6

32.7

28.9

3 of 12

tubal factor

37.2

35.4

24.8

12.5

28.3

mutliple female factors

35.3

33.3

31.2

26.3

18.6

uterine factor

31.8

32

31.5

17.9

17.4

Now, we both still really like Dr. Y, but I am somewhat concerned about blindly repeating IVF with someone who (I think) doesn’t believe it will work. So on Friday afternoon, I called the Colorado Center for Reproductive Medicine (CCRM) and scheduled a phone consultation with Dr. Schoolcraft. The earliest phone consultation he had available was September 16, but I figure that’s fine, since I need to take supplements for at least 3 months before trying IVF again. I can see what Dr. Schoolcraft says, and then decide whether to try again here one more time…or try at CCRM.

Why CCRM?

I have a good friend, N, who did IVF at CCRM, which is how I knew about it. (She didn’t have DOR, but had three failed cycles at her local clinic, prior to the successful one at CCRM.) I also read (and liked) Dr. Schoolcraft’s book. While my local IVF clinic is very good (maybe the best in California), CCRM is on another level. They perform 4.5 times as many IVF cycles each year as my local clinic. And their stats (as compiled by SART) are pretty amazing…even if you sort them by the diagnosis of DOR. Most importantly, my friend N is certain that Dr. Schoolcraft will be straight with me and tell me whether he thinks it’s worth continuing with treatment, or if I should give up and move on. (The skeptic in me thinks that this bluntness may explain the almost unbelievably high SART stats, as they probably don’t take cases with too low a probability of success…Still, I think it would be worth knowing whether my case is one they would take.)

What about CRMI?

The Center for Reproductive Medicine and Infertility (CRMI) at Cornell Weill Medical College is another place I am thinking about. Their stats aren’t as good (even sorted for DOR) as CCRM…and traveling to New York City would be notably less convenient than traveling to Colorado, (more time zone changes and no family nearby), but from what I can tell, it is the place for treating women with DOR. In 2011, they performed 3379 cycles (that’s more than 6 times as many as my local clinic), of which 776 were diagnosed with DOR. (By comparison, out of 2464 total cycles at CCRM, only 98 were DOR; and out of 545 total cycles at my local clinic, 85 were DOR.) So I also filled out an online form to be contacted by CRMI. If I’m feeling extravagant, I might even pay for phone consults at both clinics, just to see what they each say.

For your viewing pleasure, here’s a comparison of the fresh IVF stats for my clinic vs. CCRM vs. Cornell. You can see why CCRM is so popular:

My clinic Fresh IVF cycles Percentage of cycles resulting in live births

<35

35-37

38-40

41-42

>42

all diagnoses

54.2%

43.4%

39.0%

10.0%

4 of 15

DOR

2 of 10

19.0%

6 of 19

10.7%

2 of 7

CCRM Fresh IVF cycles Percentage of cycles resulting in live births

<35

35-37

38-40

41-42

>42

all diagnoses

65.0%

45.5%

35.3%

32.4%

20.6%

DOR

8 of 17

52.4%

28%

5 of 14

4.8%

Cornell Fresh IVF cycles Percentage of cycles resulting in live births

<35

35-37

38-40

41-42

>42

all diagnoses

38.1%

29.2%

25.1%

14.3%

4.6%

DOR

14.6%

25.9%

25.0%

14.0%

5.3%

And a comparison of frozen transfers:

My clinic FET cycles Percentage of transfers resulting in live births

<35

35-37

38-40

41-42

>42

all diagnoses

50%

41.20%

29.20%

0 of 3

0 of 1

DOR

1 of 1

1 of 2

1 of 2

0 of 0

0 of 1

CCRM FET cycles Percentage of transfers resulting in live births

<35

35-37

38-40

41-42

>42

all diagnoses

67.90%

65.80%

58.90%

56.70%

33.30%

DOR

8 of 8

8 of 17

48.60%

51.70%

3 of 15

Cornell FET cycles Percentage of transfers resulting in live births

<35

35-37

38-40

41-42

>42

all diagnoses

38.30%

42.90%

34.80%

11.10%

1 of 15

DOR

2 of 5

5 of 8

5 of 11

2 of 11

1 of 8

As you can see, DOR women don’t often have an frozen embryos to transfer, hence the small numbers here.

As you can probably tell, I’m not feeling super optimistic about having my own genetic offspring at this point. I welcome any encouraging DOR stories, 2nd IVF stories, CCRM or CRMI stories, supplements improving egg quality stories, etc.

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